tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6351514776753370690.post8243595810761245793..comments2024-03-18T06:22:29.802-07:00Comments on Skyrim and Morality: The Dark Brotherhood, Part 3 (Mourning Never Comes) (Katnys)Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13302330633120373724noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6351514776753370690.post-31631392158488992592019-01-09T14:06:07.869-08:002019-01-09T14:06:07.869-08:00Agree with Joe England that the line should read &...Agree with Joe England that the line should read "Katnys reluctantly chose the LATTER" rather than "the former." Otherwise the lines that follow directly contradict it.<br /><br />Regarding this post, there's a real Walter White aspect to Katnys's progression, eh?Bill Baldwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09931067702109612529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6351514776753370690.post-23120540970867243622014-12-10T03:52:10.651-08:002014-12-10T03:52:10.651-08:00You can finish the quest without killing Nilsine; ...You can finish the quest without killing Nilsine; I had already (albeit unknowingly) killed Alain Dufont and his gang before joining The Dark Brotherhood (they attacked me while I was exploring a Dwarven Ruin), so after joining the brotherhood and Muiri tells me to kill him, I told her that I had already done the same. She was flabbergasted, and said that that was unexpected and thanked me (in a shocked state). That's it. The quest was completed. She didn't speak about Nilsine, and I could now return to the Sanctuary. Though if you choose to complete the quest this way, you won't get the optional reward "Muiri's Ring", but I think that the removal of the moral dilemma is way more satisfying than another piece of jewelry. :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12017230086956637892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6351514776753370690.post-58111065892150549322014-07-30T21:31:19.653-07:002014-07-30T21:31:19.653-07:00Say, I think that line should read with "latt...Say, I think that line should read with "latter" rather than "former."Joe Englandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09736479622821269273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6351514776753370690.post-68736645329444054102014-07-12T10:04:51.432-07:002014-07-12T10:04:51.432-07:00Great question! As he does with the Talos issue, ...Great question! As he does with the Talos issue, Lothar tends to see the Empire's more controversial decisions as necessary evils. Do you hang on to Hammerfell at the risk of losing the entire Empire to the Dominion? If you're Ulfric (or Katnys, for that matter), the question is absurd; an empire that doesn't honor its founder and friends does not deserve to exist. But if you think that the Empire is the best bet for preventing Thalmor tyranny, you're going to preserve the Empire above other considerations. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13302330633120373724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6351514776753370690.post-79699489207541551422014-07-10T12:19:03.046-07:002014-07-10T12:19:03.046-07:00You've hit on the "cheat" I'm us...You've hit on the "cheat" I'm using in this playthrough. Because I wanted to play as a moral agent who would nevertheless make decisions completely different from Lothar's (read: mine), I felt the need to construct a backstory in which my "big three" moral reversals (Civil War, Dawnguard, and the Dark Brotherhood) would have some kind of justification. Therefore, I doubt that there will be anything she can't justify in the ways you mentioned.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13302330633120373724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6351514776753370690.post-74200764790941243792014-06-05T03:59:06.179-07:002014-06-05T03:59:06.179-07:00So, Katnyss did kill Nilsine, huh. I've been w...So, Katnyss did kill Nilsine, huh. I've been wondering what her decision would be, since it's one of the few moments when the player has a choice to complete a quest in two ways.<br /><br />I wonder at what villainy Katnyss can potentially draw the line. Something she can't frame as being involved in a family of some kind, or something involving child abuse, perhaps?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17213751411076474586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6351514776753370690.post-42780345047119952162014-05-31T19:30:09.358-07:002014-05-31T19:30:09.358-07:00I can fully understand trying to understand a diff...I can fully understand trying to understand a different moral perspective-take my comment as a quasi-compliment for making it seem as though this is genuinely a different moral perspective. You've really done a good job so far of riling me up with this character, which is a good thing in terms of your ability as a writer and the ability to immerse yourself in a role. <br /><br />This perspective kinda reminds me of one of my other characters, though for different reasons. He's an Argonian, going by the name of "Scorns-the-Sun" (He's a composite of 2-3 of my previous characters, who I had to delete because I thought that A) I simply had too many characters and B) a decent number of them wouldn't have gone through much imagined growth.) To make a long story short, his parents sold him out to the Thalmor as a young age to save their own hides, scarring him for life both physically and mentally as he was abused and tortured for the next 6 years of his life (To his frustration later in life, he found out that they had died about 3 months after they sold him out, at the hands of the Thalmor no less, leaving him unable to get any form of vengeance on them) As such, he trusted noone up until the games starting point, and gradually develops a selective and very small group of friends and loved ones in his journey as the dragonborn. He is highly protective of those people and will go to pretty much any length to protect them, not really being concerned with what's wrong or right, unless it involves children. He also comes to this conclusion regarding the Thalmor, which will actually effect his decision regarding the Civil war: They make for EXCELLENT target practice.<br /><br />So, you've told me Katnys's opinion regarding the Hammerfell issue (which I still contend is one of the most ambiguous parts of the entire civil war argument, especially so after re-reading the lore on the Great War), but what about Lothar's?Wolfsilverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11960837490440947763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6351514776753370690.post-13577594412528393002014-05-28T20:08:14.812-07:002014-05-28T20:08:14.812-07:00Frankly, Katnys is my attempt to get inside a mora...Frankly, Katnys is my attempt to get inside a moral orientation that I see frequently in the real world, but don't understand very well. It's a mindset that values the perceived good of one's ingroup over all other considerations. Defending and promoting my family/team/church/gang is the most, and sometimes the only, moral axis -- principles and the greater good be damned. That it makes Katnys less likeable is not surprising; I tend not to like people who view the world through that kind of lens. My goal is try to better understand a moral compass I don't like and don't fully grasp.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13302330633120373724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6351514776753370690.post-57247292601161968952014-05-28T17:18:08.503-07:002014-05-28T17:18:08.503-07:00I know that this is simply you giving a moral exam...I know that this is simply you giving a moral examination from a different moral perspective, but the more I'm reading about her, the more and more I'm beginning to dislike Katnyss. She's kinda starting to come across as being kinda self-righteous and frankly narrow-minded. I know that this is coming from a different moral perspective, but it's one that I honestly feel is becoming more disturbing. Wolfsilverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11960837490440947763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6351514776753370690.post-71954842107120203212014-05-28T15:09:32.039-07:002014-05-28T15:09:32.039-07:00Now I'm definitely curious. I don't think ...Now I'm definitely curious. I don't think you talked much about the radiant quests in your previous playthrough.DannyJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13273313206696087395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6351514776753370690.post-24431050654688127262014-05-28T06:35:02.954-07:002014-05-28T06:35:02.954-07:00Yeah....
To be honest, that line was a bit of che...Yeah....<br /><br />To be honest, that line was a bit of cheap foreshadowing of something that happened later during an unrelated radiant quest.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13302330633120373724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6351514776753370690.post-59290994783382303172014-05-27T13:29:09.083-07:002014-05-27T13:29:09.083-07:00>Or so she thought.
Those words only ever impl...>Or so she thought.<br /><br />Those words only ever imply good things. I'm sure this will all work out fine for everybody.DannyJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13273313206696087395noreply@blogger.com